Sunday, March 15, 2009

Ax Men TV Show Glorifies Illegal Logging




It turns out that some of the logging glorified on the Ax Men reality show is illegal. I don't watch it, I've seen enough loggers destroying Old-Growth forests in real life. The ads alone are enough to remind me that our forests and rivers, and really our whole planet, are facing a life or death scenario. Either people hold on to their medieval resource plundering mentality and bankrupt the ecology of the Earth, or we somehow rise to the occasion and survive with our planet mostly intact.



12 Comments:

At 3/17/2009 12:11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're stupid and your blog is too.

 
At 3/19/2009 12:43:00 PM, Blogger John Doe #86 said...

I'm rubber you're glue, etc.

 
At 3/24/2009 02:46:00 PM, Anonymous Bolithio said...

lol

John - why start the spring so black and white? Life and death? That essentially is what occurs in a forest right?... If anything - the forest is as safe from logging as it has ever been since white people, and the most at risk from fire since Indians...

2 quick points; 1) The "salvage" operator on the show didn't have a permit to harvest the old logs from the rivers he was working in. Thats the extent of the illicit activity shown on the show. 2) actual negative impacts may be occurring in other places (not CA) as evidenced by full bore logging in the winter, as shown on axemen. (Way worse than pulling some old logs out of a creek, especially when you realize that unmitigated winter logging is perfectly legal outside of CA)

As long as the environmental community continues to label people who work in the woods as "people [who] hold on to their medieval resource plundering mentality and bankrupt the ecology of the Earth", it will largely remain an irrelevant movement.

What about a gas station employee? Some one who works at Walmart or Macdonald's? Part of the problem? Probably, but how do you pay your bills? You are guilty just by being a part of this society.

At least in the timber industry, the impact isn't outsourced to the 3rd world. So in 2009', instead of kicking us when we're down, lets vow to be more objective, and not get all the young kids on the wrong track by thinking its cool to bash loggers still.

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...or we somehow rise to the occasion and survive with our planet mostly intact.

Time to move to Washington? Judging by the show axeman, activism would actually make a difference there. (for TV ratings at least...)

 
At 3/25/2009 03:35:00 PM, Blogger John Doe #86 said...

You're right Bolithio, not everyone involved in destructive practices has a medieval resource plundering mentality. I'm thinking of people such as those that call the shots for that destructive winter logging you are referring to. I'm not saying that everyone who cuts trees down is an ogre. I myself cut trees down sometimes. Not all logging is bad, but the largest companies seem to exemplify what is still wrong with the industrial timber industry. Why the heavy reliance on clear-cutting Bolithio?

I know you think that clear-cutting can be appropriate in the right circumstances but this is an atrocity. They say it mimics natural disturbances, but what natural disturbance ever happens on this massive geographical scale? Tunguska? Meteor that killed the dinosaurs? Mount Pele? The last ice age?

Is a predominantly multi-aged forest and native plant community just too much to ask for?

You're also right that logging is at a major low. But it's the lowest it's been since 1982, not the lowest it's been since European invasion.

Most of the damage has been done and of course companies like Green Diamond and SPI are targeting the few remaining forests with larger trees and high volume for clear-cutting. We need more forests with large carbon storing trees, not less.

 
At 3/27/2009 11:44:00 AM, Anonymous Bolithio said...

Good points. Remember that the ones calling the shots are consumers. As with any commodity - it is market driven. Logging is so marginal as a professions, that those guys in OR and WA are working in the rain to avoid standing at the welfare line (which our government wont be affording for so much longer...)

Is a predominantly multi-aged forest and native plant community just too much to ask for?

Maybe - A native plant community certainly is not too much to expect, and in the coast ranges, this exists even on intensively managed lands. (Baring strip malls and subdivisions)The days of scotch broom as a stability mitigation are over =)

Multi-aged forests exist as well, but true all-aged communities are not so common in forests in the northwest. Even in virgin stands, its rare to see more than three age classes. Even in these situations, 80% of the trees tend to be one age group, with 10% one each side of the curve made up by another age class.

This is how these trees have evolved, and it is very hard to convince them to do otherwise. This is why CC is still a valid technique. Valid, of course, only when you have ensured that your roads, landings and skid trails are not going to deliver significant amounts of sediment - and that you are protecting creeks, and anything else that may need mitigations (wildlife, landslides etc...)

The only true (unmanaged) all aged forests I have seen personally were in the Olympic Peninsula, and few areas within the Gifford Pinchot near Mt. St. Helens.

...of course companies like Green Diamond and SPI are targeting the few remaining forests with larger trees and high volume for clear-cutting.

Of Course. Though Im not sure about the "few remaining" part. Trees should continue to grow and get larger, and I think the intention of industrial timberland is to grow trees for harvest... Remember that this doesn't stop a forest from being a forest (GD has 300k acres, and I dont think they are running out of trees.)

 
At 2/19/2010 10:45:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have respect for all loggers tv just screws up everyones view point with its false drama lets face it the people in the media are the real pukes they will do say or put any thing on the air to make money off all our backs look at s and s aqua logging the guy lets himself be made a fool of for cash jimmy smith makes me sick all loggers are not like the idiots on this worthless show what needs to happen is the program manager on the history channel should be let go for being a money grubbing lousey human being get some new stuff on there we are all sick of your reality series soap opera fake crap let us learn not watch this junk history channel you truley are losers

 
At 3/09/2010 04:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chees...All tree's die eventually, so log em once they reach proper size instead of dying and rotting away on the forest floor.
Basically make sure the logging is done to code with replanting taking place afterwards.

 
At 3/29/2010 03:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're forgetting the fact that they aren't clear cutting whole forests, rather sections. they are on contract for the amount of trees they can cut. once those trees are cut, they ARE replanted and growth occurs again.

Just go take a plane ride past a big forest in the mountains. you can see plain as day the stages of growth the trees are in as there are different sections of the forests sitting at different heights.

if this kind of show bothers you, maybe you should read up on how they do control burns of miles of forests to replenish the soil for new growth.

 
At 5/03/2010 01:25:00 AM, Blogger Weird Eyes said...

From what I've read replanting whole sections at the same time is not a good practice. The trees all grow at the same height...and you cannot just plant a seed and expect an ecosystem to regenerate.

But what do I know?
I'm just an interested observer, not an ecologist.

Anyways, The History Channel has many shows aimed at conservative audience...not just AXE MEN. It's isn't just chance they are putting this programming out there.

 
At 2/27/2011 04:43:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Call me crazy but if salvaging the dead logs out of the river was illegal do you really think they would show it on tv? If he didn't have the proper permits, don't you think the authorities would have done something about it? And by chance have you ever actually looked at pictures of the mountains 1oo years ago verses now? Do you think there is a reason for such bad wildfires? Have you ever been in a wildfire? Try the Hayman burn in Colorado. a whole area overgrown with trees, guess its not now because of fire, if you don't control the growth mother nature will control it for you. And as for JImmy pulling logs out of the river that were sticking up breaking boats, sinking vessels. Yea why should we have clear navigable rivers? Who would want that. And since cutting the trees down are bad do I take it that you live in a concrete house? Or is it ok for trees to be cut down for your house only? I mean really if cutting the trees down is bad, then I would really hope that you have absolutely no wood in your house. I know I don't like brocoli so that isn't in my house, and foreign cars... don't like them, so I don't have one of them, so since you say wood is bad, you shouldn't have any either correct.

 
At 1/04/2012 07:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

your a fucking idiot i guess you can have a blog about anything.what about all the dead heads they removed from the river that could sink a boat or kill someone?

 
At 2/19/2012 04:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Try the Hayman burn in Colorado. a whole area overgrown with trees, guess its not now because of fire, if you don't control the growth mother nature will control it for you."

The difference is that in a fire there is ash which facilitates new growth. When you clear cut you TAKE OUT huge amounts of organic material that is not replenished.

So no fires do not equal clear cutting.

 

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